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 Post subject: Notes from visit - end June
PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:12 pm 
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Hi all,

I was in CV over the last few days and met Fabrizio and saw my ground floor apartment in Block B. Here are some observatons. I'll try and post some pictures over the weekend:

- The apartments are virtually finished inside apart from a small number of things:

1)Electrical wiring not complete in some apartments – (they are working their way around the block). Fabrizio expected this just to take a few more days. I did ee the electricals working in one apartment as it was being tested. The water was also connected.

2) Gas not connected up – we need to do this. Fabrizio can arrange for 100 Euro; Aquisal said they would charge around 30 Euros plus a small fee.

3) Some items have not arrived yet. Specifically, no TV, toaster, no patio furniture, no towels, bedsheets pillows etc. These are due to be shipped from Italy – thy may be on the next one due at the end of July; otherwise at the end of September. The chief of works is trying to get a list of items that will be on the july containers.

4) Some things still need hanging e.g. mirrors.

5) Some repainting needs to be done. In my apartment, I saw black
mouldy/damp looking patches near the skirting board. I was told that a number of apartments have been treated recently and need to dry out before repainting.

6) Outside, in the patio area there were drips of paint on the floor. These would need to be cleaned up.

7) everything’s a bit dusty.

Apart from item 3) Fabrizio said everything would be completed in just over a week from now. I think that end July is probably more realistic.

The swimming pool being tested and was full of water. It was surrounded by workmen as they are laying out the main floor around the pool. Again very dusty.

The garden areas look a bit rough - no planting has started yet.

Block C-E. Fabrizio said that they could increase the labour and finish by December but as there are a number of unsold units and their cashflow isn’t brilliant, they will pace the work and expect it to finish Mar-June next year. (This may impact our ability to rent out to the tourist market in the short term.

I was really surprised that Turinvest are not building the Aquapark and Casino themselves! They have 2 bidders who are interested in the casino as long as there is a government guarantee that it will be the only one on the island (i think). Turinvest are trying to obtain the guarantee – I think that cotton bay are also saying that they will have a casino though. For the aquapark, noone has shown interest in taking it on and so there are currently no plans to build it!

Overall, if we hadn't had the delays I would have been pleased with what I saw and that the apartments seemed to be better than the Block A specs.

There is a new medical clinic open next to Block A. It also seems like Hilton are going to build a hotel within a couple of minutes walk from Djadsal in 2010.

I was told that the first people moved into their apartment in Block B over the weekend.

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Fairfax


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:09 am 
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Thanks for your feedback Fairfax. As regards the Gas supply it is bottled and i was told that the bottle would sit in a corner of our ground floor patio. Are you saying that pipe runs will have to be installed to the cooker from the patio ? Not too worried about the Aquapark and Casino at the moment, just want to see all the Blocks on our side finished and the place tidied up.


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You're right about the bottled gas. There were ppes coming out of the corner of the patio area and (i assume) are connected to the cooker at the other end. They were raw pipes though and didn't have a connector at the end. I forgot to ask whether the connector would be fitted as part of the apartment completion.

I was told that there are two gas companies. We would need to pay a connection fee to one of them and this plus the first full bottle would cost the Euro 30. I assume that the extra costs are for someone to do this for us and install the first bottle.

For long term rentals, I understand that we are expected to provide the first bottle and then the tenant would replace as necessary.

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Thanks for your reply Fairfax. As regards connecting the bottle up i think it is the normal quick release type that we see here in England in say a caravan and can be done easily by yourself. As for forgetting to ask about things i know what you mean, 5 minutes after the viewing you seem to remember loads of questions that you meant to ask ! In light of your suggestion that completion dates are slipping again i have just sent an e-mail asking for an update in progress on Block C and will post their reply when i get it. Did you feel that aircon is a must as i could not make my mind up ? I realise that potential rental customers will probably expect it but on short term rentals we have to pay the electric bill. As an aside, when i asked if it could be fitted i was told by Fabrizio that for some reason Block C apartments were not constructed ready for its installation as were the earlier blocks. This would mean ,i presume, that the unit would have to go on an outside wall somewhere. In a ground floor apartment i would site it on the back wall so it cant be seen or heard when enjoying the front patio.From what Fabrizio said someone in Italy keeps slightly altering the plans as things go along and he is usually the last to know. An example he made was that some windows in parts of Block B ended up larger than was originally intended.


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Re Block C, the people from the turinvest office initially told me it would be December this year. Fabrizio then said that it could be done by December if they doubled their workforce. But as a number of units remained unsold (and so impacted their cashflow, I assume) they would carry on with the current team size and finish in March-June. so you may get an answer of december depending on who you talk to.

We did look into aircon. Both aquisal and fabrizio can arrange the installation - for the same BTU aquisal were cheaper but I'm not sure if we were comparing like for like models. I was given mixed views about the value of air con. We wouldn't get higher rent but it would make it easier to rent out.

I thought that fabrizio had said that the air con unit could be an internal one with a pipe out to the plants for the water to drip into. Not sure though.

I have loaded a few photos up but saw a message saying that they would be reviewed before being published. Once I see them go up, I'll load the rest up.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:32 pm 
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Hi Fairfax

Did you complete the purchase of your apartment whilst you were there? ,ie sign the deed at notary etc?

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Hi Steve,

Unfortunately, it was too early to complete. After they have completed the works and can show that they have done the necessary tests (electricity etc), they need to get a habitation licence. Fabrizio thought that this wold just take a few days.

I understand that the local authorities can take up to 3 months to sort out the deeds. My lawyer said that it is common practice in CV to complete the purchase (i.e make the final payment etc), move into the apartment and have the deeds follow later!!

I still need to work out how to get the snagging done. Again, this is a service that Aquisal said they offer.

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fairfax


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Hi Fairfax,

Thanks for all the info.

I have also bought a ground floor apartment in Block B, I am going to CV for 2 weeks end of August to complete, hopefully everything in Block B is finished by then.

Bet you were dissapointed after the long wait to complete and not get the keys for your apartment while you were there.
Will aquaisal do the snagging on your behalf whilst you are back in England, what do they charge

What hotel did you stay in?

Did you manage to post any pictures?

Cheers
Quacks10<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Fairfax</i>
<br />Hi Steve,

Unfortunately, it was too early to complete. After they have completed the works and can show that they have done the necessary tests (electricity etc), they need to get a habitation licence. Fabrizio thought that this wold just take a few days.

I understand that the local authorities can take up to 3 months to sort out the deeds. My lawyer said that it is common practice in CV to complete the purchase (i.e make the final payment etc), move into the apartment and have the deeds follow later!!

I still need to work out how to get the snagging done. Again, this is a service that Aquisal said they offer.

Cheers
fairfax
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:10 pm 
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Hi Quacks10,

Yes it was a bit disappointing not to get the keys or be able to stay there. We had been told that the apartment should be ready before we left but that was too optimistic.

We looked on owners direct and stayed at the porto antiguo apartments having got a last minute rate. They are on the other side of Santa Maria - but we liked it.

Aquisal said that they would charge Euro 150 to do the snagging. Fabrizio said that once the list has been compiled, they would aim to fix everything within 30 days and get signoff. I didn't check to see if Aquisal's fee included reviewing at the end and recommending signoff.

I've tried to load up 4 photos so far on the ecaboverde site and for each one it says <b>Your photo will be validated once it has been reviewed.</b> Once they show up, I'll post the rest up. (Unless I should be doing something different).

I would expect that your apartment will be ready well before you go as long as there are no hold ups (might be a bit dusty though)! The outside areas may also be ready if enough people continue to work on them.

I'm sure you'll enjoy the trip.

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Fairfax


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:27 am 
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Hello Fairfax,

thankyou for submitting your photos to ecaboverde.com

Due to the fact that most of our visitors at ecabovere.com are tourists, we decided to not anymore accept construction photos at this photogallery, as it would give a negative impression of the country, showing all these constructions, maybe it gives the impressions, it looks terrible in Cape Verde, which is not true.

So I took the photos and attached them to this message, for all to see.

If users request this, I will see if I can add a function where users can add photos in their forum posts directly. Please click the following links:

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/1.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/2.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/3.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/4.jpg


Best regards,
Daniel

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:36 pm 
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Thanks Daniel,

I have a number of other photos to share but I guess that they only need to be up temporarily as the next person who visits will have more recent updates. Let me know if there's an easy way to share these.

In the mean time, here's a brief description of the 4:

1) This is looking into Block B from the security area;
2) This is looking at the swimming pool area from the top floor;
3) Inside Block C;
4) Looking between Block B and C;

some of my other photos do show a more positive aspect of the development!!

Fairfax


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:51 am 
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Hello Fairfax,

please selevt the most important ones and email them to me.
I will put them attached on your message.
Thanks.

Daniel


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:26 pm 
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Hi,

Can you Let us know if it is legal to demand for compensation for the delay, as stated in the contract?
Someone just said somewhere else, that Turinvest justified and there will be no compensation due to unforseen/unexpected/unpredictable circumstances.

Is this just a move from Turinvest to avoid paying compensation to the investors for the delay? Of course the investors have nothing to do with their problems.

Thanks

tropical man

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Fairfax</i>
<br />Hi all,

I was in CV over the last few days and met Fabrizio and saw my ground floor apartment in Block B. Here are some observatons. I'll try and post some pictures over the weekend:

- The apartments are virtually finished inside apart from a small number of things:

1)Electrical wiring not complete in some apartments – (they are working their way around the block). Fabrizio expected this just to take a few more days. I did ee the electricals working in one apartment as it was being tested. The water was also connected.

2) Gas not connected up – we need to do this. Fabrizio can arrange for 100 Euro; Aquisal said they would charge around 30 Euros plus a small fee.

3) Some items have not arrived yet. Specifically, no TV, toaster, no patio furniture, no towels, bedsheets pillows etc. These are due to be shipped from Italy – thy may be on the next one due at the end of July; otherwise at the end of September. The chief of works is trying to get a list of items that will be on the july containers.

4) Some things still need hanging e.g. mirrors.

5) Some repainting needs to be done. In my apartment, I saw black
mouldy/damp looking patches near the skirting board. I was told that a number of apartments have been treated recently and need to dry out before repainting.

6) Outside, in the patio area there were drips of paint on the floor. These would need to be cleaned up.

7) everything’s a bit dusty.

Apart from item 3) Fabrizio said everything would be completed in just over a week from now. I think that end July is probably more realistic.

The swimming pool being tested and was full of water. It was surrounded by workmen as they are laying out the main floor around the pool. Again very dusty.

The garden areas look a bit rough - no planting has started yet.

Block C-E. Fabrizio said that they could increase the labour and finish by December but as there are a number of unsold units and their cashflow isn’t brilliant, they will pace the work and expect it to finish Mar-June next year. (This may impact our ability to rent out to the tourist market in the short term.

I was really surprised that Turinvest are not building the Aquapark and Casino themselves! They have 2 bidders who are interested in the casino as long as there is a government guarantee that it will be the only one on the island (i think). Turinvest are trying to obtain the guarantee – I think that cotton bay are also saying that they will have a casino though. For the aquapark, noone has shown interest in taking it on and so there are currently no plans to build it!

Overall, if we hadn't had the delays I would have been pleased with what I saw and that the apartments seemed to be better than the Block A specs.

There is a new medical clinic open next to Block A. It also seems like Hilton are going to build a hotel within a couple of minutes walk from Djadsal in 2010.

I was told that the first people moved into their apartment in Block B over the weekend.

Regards
Fairfax

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:04 am 
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Hello Fairfax,

thankyou for sharing your photos in this forum, I have just uploaded them, you might want to write comments for them in another message.

Best regards,
Daniel

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/5.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/6.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/7.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/8.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/9.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/10.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/11.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/12.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/13.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/14.jpg


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:56 pm 
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Thanks Daniel,

Hopefully the photos are self explanatory but here are a few words just in case.

Regards
Fairfax

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/5.jpg
This is a view of Block A and B. You can also see the new medical clinic on the far left (next to Block A)

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/6.jpg
The kitchen - furnished. A small number of items e.g. toaster to arrive on future boat.

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/7.jpg
2nd Bedroom

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/8.jpg
Main bedroom. Furnished. A few things need hanging. No linen yet.

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/9.jpg
The sofa. (Its not a sofabed though).

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/10.jpg
Part of the front garden. You can see the pipes where the gas bottle needs to be connected.

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/11.jpg
The front garden. Waiting for the italian painter to arrive to finish off the walls. Lots of drops of paint on the floor that need to be removed. No patio furniture yet.

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/12.jpg
The back garden

http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/13.jpg
http://www.caboverde24.com/images/djadsal/14.jpg

The toilet and shower.


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